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Alcoholics Anonymous: Cult Lite[Note: The following was a debate conducted with Robin Room on the CD list. Room, Vice President of Research at the Addiction Research Foundation in Toronto, has in the past declined to allow his materials to be used at this site -- for "the same reason you wouldn't want Love and Addiction used" -- as though Room's position on this matter would be a great money maker.] Robin Room took the position that AA is not psychologically coercive because individuals are supposedly only allowed to comment on their own experiences. Kerry Heffner supported Room's position:
Stanton replied: When an individual comes to AA, he/she knows some things are required for fundamental membership. Chief of these is to declare yourself an alcoholic. It may be friendly (although I have observed great hostility towards individuals who refused to declare themselves this way) but there is no backing out, and many people (especially the DWIs who quit as soon as they can) experience great anxiety around it. When people are compelled to take on a self-identification with which they disagree or about which they are unsure, when great group pressure is placed on this identification, what do you call it? Again, these tales are described in detail and at length in David Rudy's Becoming Alcoholic and Ken Ragge's More Revealed. (Room also recommended that I read Charles Bufe's book, Alcoholics Anonymous: Cult or Cure, which decided AA is not a cult. I replied: I know Bufe's book and I believe I am writing a preface to his new edition. Not being a cult -- for example not having a charismatic [living] leader or using physical coercion -- takes one out of one category, like Nazism, but leaves much room for mind control and psychological coercion.) See Overcoming disease treatment for addiction I can only marvel at the lack of psychological insight Robin's comments reveal -- that AA is not coercive because the rule is "no cross-talk." One experience I have which may be unique for a "social-behaviorist" is the time I spent lecturing to AA grads going through counseling programs and attending conferences for counselors. (I did this at the UC Berkeley alcoholism counseling certificate granting program when Room was at Berkeley.) These experiences were surreal, particularly at a University, as people reviled me for even suggesting any alternative approaches to AA. Robin, you ought to try it some time. Moreover, did the regular Berkeley faculty have any obligation, do you think, to pay attention to official support UC gave to people emerging from programs like these endorsing know-nothingness? In these programs, people showed what was either a totalitarian mind set/or a hyper psychological sensitivity to any challenge to their philosophy of sobriety for which the only previous equivalents in my experience occurred in clinical settings. At one "meeting," a woman asked me if she could could join my "group." Another walked out, saying she would have to kill me if she stayed. Meanwhile, the horrible blood letting around controlled drinking, culminating in the Sobells' persecution, is a chapter yet to be fully plumbed in America. Of course, what is amazing vis-a-vis Room's Olympiad detachment is that Pendery et al. sharpened their teeth on the Alcohol Research Group and Cahalan and Room before turning to the Sobells. I describe these experiences in: Denial - of Reality and of Freedom - in Addiction Research and Treatment Of course, this has colossal policy implications, and is why American treatment remains stalled in AA and 12 steps. But it is also a commentary on the AA experience, the kind of thing for which the sociological study of brainwashing was my best academic preparation. Kerry Heffner clarified his position:
I also discussed with John Kline of the University of Arizona on the SSCP (the scientific study of clinical psychology, Division 12 of the APA, list), in which Kline repeatedly chastised me for failing to distinguish between AA 12-steps and the commercial variety. [Kline also refused to allow me to use his material at my site, even if I quoted him verbatim, saying, "Your web site has the appearance and credibility of the National Enquirer."] I posted SSCP with the following in answer to Kline:
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